I had another opportunity to See Giani Thakur Singh ji yesterday, in a private setting. I was so excited as I wanted to know more about deeper spiritual stuff that regular people don't know. I took Surinder Singh Nanaksar Delhi wale and his jatha in my car to visit them.
Surinder Singh ji asked the vidhi of doing 125 lakh Moolmantras. Giani ji said that one should wear all white after a shower, have a white sheet underneath and a white Mala (Rosemary). Then do 32 Mala's each day. It roughly takes eight hours a day to complete it in 40 days. One could do two four hour sessions but he suggested that we do it at a set time. Samuel Sagan also mentions in his book 'Opening the third eye' the importance of meditating at the same time, regularly.
In my casual self, I asked wouldn't it be Ok if I just counted the hours and not worry about counting the 32 Mals's each day. I fear that I will miscount as I use to as a child when my dad use to ask us to do 5-10 mala's of simran. Other ladies had come in the room by then and entered the discussion and commented that it wouldn't work as everyone's speed is different. Giani ji wasn't too pleased about my question and asked if I had ever done mala to which I replied, "No", as his tone was already suggesting that I have no idea what I am talking about. I was merely asking because of my laziness about counting and memory.
Then some lady asked Giani Thakur SIngh ji if we should light Joot in the Gurdwara. They complained that the present giani stopped them from lighting it. I had heard this issue deing discussed at the Thath one morning.
Thakur Singh ji was in favour of the joot being lit at the gurdwara and home. He started showing the photos that he took at different historical Gurdwara and claimed that all those gurdwaras have Joot in them. I was impressed with this argument. I stayed quiet and listened as I don't know anything about this topic. He furthur said that we (regular public) don't understand the deeper reason. He said that when we make Prashad and add water, the vapours carry the smell of the Ghee made with Cows milk. He claimed that the smell of the Ghee is the only food of Gods.
Then I figured that he wasn't only instigating that we should light it in the Gurdwara but also in individual homes. This prompted me to speak. I asked Giani ji, "Wouldn't it be better if people collectively donated the amount of money they will use on burning the ghee (bucket of ghee is A$85 in our town) to poor people in India?"
I was besides myself at Giani ji's reaction. I was expecting a very simple explanation, either in favour or against it. I thought I was happy to listen to his opinion regardless. Well, I wasn't thinking too hard but Giani ji's reaction told me that he felt that I was challenging his authority, which surprised me. Instead of speaking in favour or against the issue that I had raised, he said that I should look at my level before speaking - "Apne Diare Wich Reh Ke Gal Karidi Hai". I didn't think having an open discussion was not part of my diara (level of understanding). What I failed to understand was that afterall he was a man of authority from India and was expecting a submissive 'Yes Sir' attitude.
Giani ji further said that he has got plenty of answers for well educated smart arses like me (offcourse in punjabi). he then told the group how much he is doing for poor people but we shouldn't being the poor people issue into the spiritual realm. I apologised and tried to explain that he has misunderstood my intention. I didn't intend to put him down but was only looking for a viewpoint in the light of the poor people's needs.
During the talk he then nullified my wonderful experience I had shared with him a day earlier. Without making direct reference to me, he said that anything can take a fake form and appear as God and we wouldn't know the difference. He also pointed to the Raagi jatha and said that people like you and I who are in this field would be the one's who would know about spiritual issues, what would these grahasthes (people with family daily involved in work and social life, not involved in spiritual life) know.
As we stood up to leave, I went upto him and bent as if to touch his feet wrapped inside the blanket and a tear came out of my eye as I apologised for upseting him but then said that I am sad that you misunderstood me. I was not challenging your authority. Then I explained to him how I have been thinking about doing something for the poor and was merely looking for ways we can help them. He asked me if I donate Daswand (10th share of income for charity). I told him that I don't do it. I raised the issue of Darbar Sahib Amritsar, how the SGPC spends so much money on new rumala everyday and does nothing for the poor and to teach gurbani and kirtan to kids. Giani ji agreed.
Other ladies ask for the permission to leave and said that they will visit him the next day just before his departure back to Brisbane. Upon asking why, the ladies said that they will bring donation. Giani ji asked me to come again as well and bring donation, to which I replied that I won't be giving any donation with my filthy money.
I want accountability and need to know exactly what money was spent where.
At present Giani Thakur Singh ji is being used to collect money for the Minto gurdwara. What Giani ji don't know that its is owned by Malaysian Sikhs who promote that Sikhs should only read three bani's in the morning instead of five - Japji, jaap and Tvaprasad Sawaiye. I have attended Sikh Youth Camps run by these people for many years. Singer Dya Singh has also been involved in these camps for a few years. I wonder if Giani Thakur Singh would have raised money for them had he known about their stand on Nitnem.
In the above incident, I realise the cause of friction was cultural differences. I have been working with Australians for long and share the following opinions with them, "the Australians feel the need to have and voice individual opinions, the importance of being heard, and the opportunity to make a decision and move on. In a cultural workshop they felt that the silence was uncomfortable as silences in Western cultures can mean a number of things with a rather negative impact e.g. that a person does not understand, does not have an opinion, does not know how to deal with the situation or is upset by what is going on. To better understand what is going on they use verbal communication such as asking questions, explanations, confrontations to break through silences. The Japanese added that sometimes talking too much was regarded as a less intelligent way to deal with problems."
Source: Cross-cultural Effectiveness, June 2010 Joost Thissen
http://hosted.verticalresponse.com/246404/e5f5ee5aa4/1343002324/bfa371b8c6/
Giani Thakur Singh definately took the Japanese view when I thought I was starting an open discussion on the topic, whereas I think that "Just do it" approach is childish as there is no reflection on the possible outcomes.
What hurt me the most is his remark that I haven't seen the light within (joot in the Solar Plexus), at least light it physically. In his words, "Andar tan joot jagai nahin, bahar tan jaga lavo." I am hurt that a day earlier he questioned me about my experiences with a big checklist -
Have you seen any colours, if yes what colours
Have you met any scary spirits yet etc and I had answered yes to all his questions, without adding any more information on what else I have seen and known, that he didn't ask. The two things that I haven't seen that he asked for were the White Colour and the Joot. I am not sure what he meant by White Colour. I am sure it is different from the Great White Light that entered my body before any other spiritual experience.
The very next day he used the Joot point to degrade me. Since that moment I have been praying to Guru Nanak to help me. I have so wanted to have "Puran Joot Jagai Ghat Mai". If anything, this has prompted me to get my act together and meditate as much as I use to, for at least hour and half everyday sitting meditation and then a few hours while laying in bed.
More info on Solar Plexus on the link but don't expect any chakras to get balanced by using chystals. The only way to balance a chakra is by meditating in that area of the body. http://www.colormychakras.com/light-blog/solar-plexus-chakra
Another source says' "The solar plexus chakra influences or "rules" the digestive organs, the muscular systems in general, the liver and gallbladder. It also has a general governing effect on the limbs, particularly the elbow and knee joints. On a consciousness level, it expresses personal will, ego, sense of self and effectiveness at relating to or influencing other people and animals. A good CEO, military officer or dog trainer, for example, must have a strong and well-developed solar plexus center. When this center is blocked by various internalized fears, self-doubt and limiting beliefs, people have difficulty getting what they want in life or feeling deep emotions, and easily are subject to anxiety, panic attacks, obsessive-compulsive disorders, worry and paranoia." http://www.massagetoday.com/mpacms/at/article.php?id=31543
Nice photo on the following source: http://www.chakramagic.com/solar_plexus.htm
The heart center is the seat for the divine.
A space where you are the host and the divine is the guest.
Once this center opens up, the energy reaches here...
You have come half way to hug the divine.
Three chakras below heart...and three above.
The chakras below the heart govern the earthly aspect and
the chakras above the heart reflect the divine aspect of our being.
Heart chakra is exactly in the center,
the bridge that connects above and below.
Here something beautiful is born within...
something is transformed permanently...if you allow it to happen.
Your spiritual journey is accelerated with high velocity from here.
There is no turning back from here
once the petals of heart chakra open up. (At least I have this experience with me.)
Blessed are these souls who function from heart chakra and above.
Surinder Singh ji asked the vidhi of doing 125 lakh Moolmantras. Giani ji said that one should wear all white after a shower, have a white sheet underneath and a white Mala (Rosemary). Then do 32 Mala's each day. It roughly takes eight hours a day to complete it in 40 days. One could do two four hour sessions but he suggested that we do it at a set time. Samuel Sagan also mentions in his book 'Opening the third eye' the importance of meditating at the same time, regularly.
In my casual self, I asked wouldn't it be Ok if I just counted the hours and not worry about counting the 32 Mals's each day. I fear that I will miscount as I use to as a child when my dad use to ask us to do 5-10 mala's of simran. Other ladies had come in the room by then and entered the discussion and commented that it wouldn't work as everyone's speed is different. Giani ji wasn't too pleased about my question and asked if I had ever done mala to which I replied, "No", as his tone was already suggesting that I have no idea what I am talking about. I was merely asking because of my laziness about counting and memory.
Then some lady asked Giani Thakur SIngh ji if we should light Joot in the Gurdwara. They complained that the present giani stopped them from lighting it. I had heard this issue deing discussed at the Thath one morning.
Thakur Singh ji was in favour of the joot being lit at the gurdwara and home. He started showing the photos that he took at different historical Gurdwara and claimed that all those gurdwaras have Joot in them. I was impressed with this argument. I stayed quiet and listened as I don't know anything about this topic. He furthur said that we (regular public) don't understand the deeper reason. He said that when we make Prashad and add water, the vapours carry the smell of the Ghee made with Cows milk. He claimed that the smell of the Ghee is the only food of Gods.
Then I figured that he wasn't only instigating that we should light it in the Gurdwara but also in individual homes. This prompted me to speak. I asked Giani ji, "Wouldn't it be better if people collectively donated the amount of money they will use on burning the ghee (bucket of ghee is A$85 in our town) to poor people in India?"
I was besides myself at Giani ji's reaction. I was expecting a very simple explanation, either in favour or against it. I thought I was happy to listen to his opinion regardless. Well, I wasn't thinking too hard but Giani ji's reaction told me that he felt that I was challenging his authority, which surprised me. Instead of speaking in favour or against the issue that I had raised, he said that I should look at my level before speaking - "Apne Diare Wich Reh Ke Gal Karidi Hai". I didn't think having an open discussion was not part of my diara (level of understanding). What I failed to understand was that afterall he was a man of authority from India and was expecting a submissive 'Yes Sir' attitude.
Giani ji further said that he has got plenty of answers for well educated smart arses like me (offcourse in punjabi). he then told the group how much he is doing for poor people but we shouldn't being the poor people issue into the spiritual realm. I apologised and tried to explain that he has misunderstood my intention. I didn't intend to put him down but was only looking for a viewpoint in the light of the poor people's needs.
During the talk he then nullified my wonderful experience I had shared with him a day earlier. Without making direct reference to me, he said that anything can take a fake form and appear as God and we wouldn't know the difference. He also pointed to the Raagi jatha and said that people like you and I who are in this field would be the one's who would know about spiritual issues, what would these grahasthes (people with family daily involved in work and social life, not involved in spiritual life) know.
As we stood up to leave, I went upto him and bent as if to touch his feet wrapped inside the blanket and a tear came out of my eye as I apologised for upseting him but then said that I am sad that you misunderstood me. I was not challenging your authority. Then I explained to him how I have been thinking about doing something for the poor and was merely looking for ways we can help them. He asked me if I donate Daswand (10th share of income for charity). I told him that I don't do it. I raised the issue of Darbar Sahib Amritsar, how the SGPC spends so much money on new rumala everyday and does nothing for the poor and to teach gurbani and kirtan to kids. Giani ji agreed.
Other ladies ask for the permission to leave and said that they will visit him the next day just before his departure back to Brisbane. Upon asking why, the ladies said that they will bring donation. Giani ji asked me to come again as well and bring donation, to which I replied that I won't be giving any donation with my filthy money.
I want accountability and need to know exactly what money was spent where.
At present Giani Thakur Singh ji is being used to collect money for the Minto gurdwara. What Giani ji don't know that its is owned by Malaysian Sikhs who promote that Sikhs should only read three bani's in the morning instead of five - Japji, jaap and Tvaprasad Sawaiye. I have attended Sikh Youth Camps run by these people for many years. Singer Dya Singh has also been involved in these camps for a few years. I wonder if Giani Thakur Singh would have raised money for them had he known about their stand on Nitnem.
In the above incident, I realise the cause of friction was cultural differences. I have been working with Australians for long and share the following opinions with them, "the Australians feel the need to have and voice individual opinions, the importance of being heard, and the opportunity to make a decision and move on. In a cultural workshop they felt that the silence was uncomfortable as silences in Western cultures can mean a number of things with a rather negative impact e.g. that a person does not understand, does not have an opinion, does not know how to deal with the situation or is upset by what is going on. To better understand what is going on they use verbal communication such as asking questions, explanations, confrontations to break through silences. The Japanese added that sometimes talking too much was regarded as a less intelligent way to deal with problems."
Source: Cross-cultural Effectiveness, June 2010 Joost Thissen
http://hosted.verticalresponse.com/246404/e5f5ee5aa4/1343002324/bfa371b8c6/
Giani Thakur Singh definately took the Japanese view when I thought I was starting an open discussion on the topic, whereas I think that "Just do it" approach is childish as there is no reflection on the possible outcomes.
What hurt me the most is his remark that I haven't seen the light within (joot in the Solar Plexus), at least light it physically. In his words, "Andar tan joot jagai nahin, bahar tan jaga lavo." I am hurt that a day earlier he questioned me about my experiences with a big checklist -
Have you seen any colours, if yes what colours
Have you met any scary spirits yet etc and I had answered yes to all his questions, without adding any more information on what else I have seen and known, that he didn't ask. The two things that I haven't seen that he asked for were the White Colour and the Joot. I am not sure what he meant by White Colour. I am sure it is different from the Great White Light that entered my body before any other spiritual experience.
The very next day he used the Joot point to degrade me. Since that moment I have been praying to Guru Nanak to help me. I have so wanted to have "Puran Joot Jagai Ghat Mai". If anything, this has prompted me to get my act together and meditate as much as I use to, for at least hour and half everyday sitting meditation and then a few hours while laying in bed.
More info on Solar Plexus on the link but don't expect any chakras to get balanced by using chystals. The only way to balance a chakra is by meditating in that area of the body. http://www.colormychakras.com/light-blog/solar-plexus-chakra
Another source says' "The solar plexus chakra influences or "rules" the digestive organs, the muscular systems in general, the liver and gallbladder. It also has a general governing effect on the limbs, particularly the elbow and knee joints. On a consciousness level, it expresses personal will, ego, sense of self and effectiveness at relating to or influencing other people and animals. A good CEO, military officer or dog trainer, for example, must have a strong and well-developed solar plexus center. When this center is blocked by various internalized fears, self-doubt and limiting beliefs, people have difficulty getting what they want in life or feeling deep emotions, and easily are subject to anxiety, panic attacks, obsessive-compulsive disorders, worry and paranoia." http://www.massagetoday.com/mpacms/at/article.php?id=31543
Nice photo on the following source: http://www.chakramagic.com/solar_plexus.htm
The heart center is the seat for the divine.
A space where you are the host and the divine is the guest.
Once this center opens up, the energy reaches here...
You have come half way to hug the divine.
Three chakras below heart...and three above.
The chakras below the heart govern the earthly aspect and
the chakras above the heart reflect the divine aspect of our being.
Heart chakra is exactly in the center,
the bridge that connects above and below.
Here something beautiful is born within...
something is transformed permanently...if you allow it to happen.
Your spiritual journey is accelerated with high velocity from here.
There is no turning back from here
once the petals of heart chakra open up. (At least I have this experience with me.)
Blessed are these souls who function from heart chakra and above.
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Quite a knee-jerk reaction for a Gyani ji of his calibre...you could do with a certified teacher (as taught by Yogi Khalsa) to guide you for chakra balancing...
Its Ok! Later that day, he apologised openly during his katha. He said that five fingers of two hands don't always sit comfortably when you fold hands, sometimes you need time to discuss the issues further to understand the other persons point of view and I apologise if I have said anything hurtful to anyone; soon after I went to give my $5 to him.
This guy is not a sikh
Sikhiism does not see any spiritual value in lighting candles
Sikkhiism does not see any significance in repeatedly reciting gurbani. Its better to dwell on the meaning instead.
All sikhs are equal n noone is above another
No sikh would allow anyone to touch their feet, ikhs only bow to sggs
This man sounds like a punk
I would have given him my middle finger as an offering
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